BY MR. ALCOCK:
Q: Do you recall testifying before the Orleans Parish Grand Jury on March 16, 1967, wherein you said you saw this guy, meaning Clay Bertrand, twice in your life?
A: I don't think -- that was a farce -- I don't recall seeing him. I recall appearing before the Grand Jury three times. The first time I wouldn't sign the waiver, you all cut me loose. The second time I got another notice and I went up there, and the only thing I remember was all the jurors had a copy of the Warren Commission Report. Mr. Burnes would ask me questions that conflicted with what I said in the Warren (Commission) Report that we had discussed in the DA's Offices under the DA's subpoena, and I could see it was getting out of hand. I did the best I could with what I got.
Q: In other words, you maintained the lie that you did not know who the man named Clay Bertrand really was?
A: I don't remember whether I did or not. If you want to put it that way, I will accept it.
Q: Well, I am not trying to put it any way, I am asking you.
A: I did not disclose to the Grand Jury what I am telling you people now, if that is what you mean.
Q: All right. In other words, you lied some more to cover for Gene Davis?
A: I made conflicting statements.
Q: You lied, didn't you? do you mean to tell me --
A: I made conflicting statements. You call them what you want, I call them conflicting statements.
Q: You mean you weren't asked who Clay Bertrand was?
A: I don't know. Read it in there and see if they asked me.
Q: Well, I just asked you.
A: I don't recall.
Q: You said you saw the guy twice in your life. Is that true or false?
A: I have seen him more than that; I have never seen Clay Bertrand. Read the question back.
Q: In other words, your answer, "I saw the guy twice in my life" --
A: You are taking that out of context and not in the continuity.
Q: And it is not true? Right?
A: It is a conflicting statement. Don't forget, they had me hemmed in with that Warren Commission Report that all them people were reading while they were asking the questions.
Q: Dean, the only one that hemmed you in with that Warren Commission Report was yourself when you lied under oath to the Warren Commission.
A: You see these marks on this paper? I gave Mr. Garrison my testimony. These marks were made and given to the Grand Jury. Then Richard Burnes took questions connected to this and there was no way I could get off the hook: What was here I had already sworn to, and I was trying to get off the hook before the Grand Jury and I was trying to make conflicting statements, and that is the best I could do.
Q: Do you recall when you first identified Clay Bertrand as being Gene Davis?
A: Yes, that is the time that I volunteered to appear before the Grand Jury and got served with a subpoena coming up to the door, because I was under the impression as a matter of fact that I could appear before the Grand Jury and do the best I could to straighten my testimony out.
Q: Do you recall when that was? That was June 28, 1967?
A: If that is the day, that is the day. I don't recall.
Q: So in this matter from November, 1963 until June 28, 1967 you lied?
A: I made conflicting statements. You interpret them any way you want.
Q: You were under oath twice before the Orleans Parish Grand Jury on that matter, and under oath before the Warren Commission on that matter, and you talked to the FBI agents who were asking the whereabouts of this person in November?
A: And I talked to many, many other people under oath, and everywhere I went everybody was very careful to interpret my words, take them out of context, ram them down my throat and defy me to make any answer different. There was no way that I could go, I was hemmed in.
THE COURT: Mr. Alcock, would you permit me to ask the witness one more thing?
BY THE COURT:
Q: I don't know whether I understood you correctly or not, but when I asked you why did you create the name Bertrand or Clay Bertrand, did you tell me you met someone at a
wedding by the name of Bertrand?
A: No, it was created at Hotel Dieu -- I forget what room I was in , Judge -- whatever day it was.
Q: I mean -- you didn't understand my question. I said did you state that you met a person by the last name of Bertrand at a wedding? Did you state you did meet someone by that name?
A: No, I stated that I was introduced to a person who I knew already to be Gene Davis, in a very casual manner, people half loaded eating free sandwiches and getting all the free booze. I got there in the middle of the thing and Big Jo says, "Meet Clay Bertrand," just like that, "everybody." I burst out laughing, I knew the cat -- I mean I knew the guy Gene Davis.
Q: But the girl, Big Jo, she used the name Clay Bertrand? That is where you got that word?
A: Right. Then whatever time it was in November in Hotel Dieu, I was trying to figure out something to associate when it dawned on me that these people would go looking for Gene Davis, just like they used this gentleman as an example (indicating a juror), get an innocent person involved in something that had nothing to do with anything, so I thought of Bertrand. I never could think of Clay, it took me a while to connect it. If I had my life to live over again I would say his name was John Jones.
Q: Who did Big Jo point to when she said, "Meet Clay Bertrand"?
A: Gene Davis.
BY MR. ALCOCK:
Q: The party Gene Davis, when he called you on the occasion in November did he identify himself as Clay Bertrand?
A: No, he has never used that name, I have never known him by that name.
Q: But you were introduced to him by that name?
A: That doesn't mean I know him. I knew who he was, Gene Davis. I have been introduced as Algonquin J. Calhoun but people know me as Dean Andrews, know it is not my name.
BY THE COURT:
Q: Where is Big Joe today?
A: I don't have the slightest idea, Judge. The last time I saw her was when a Bill of Information was filed against her for bribing a police.
BY MR. ALCOCK:
Q: Did Davis ever call you on behalf of Oswald on any other occasion?
A: No, never called me on behalf of Oswald -- period.
Q: Who was guaranteeing Oswald's fee in that case?
A: I never had any commission, retainer, or anything. That is bull.
Q: That is more bull?
A: Yep.
Q: Under oath?
A: I don't know if I said it like that under oath or not.
Q: Mr. Andrews, would it be a fair statement to say that we can just take your Warren Commission testimony and throw it in the trash can because it is all big lot of bull, one big lie?
A: No, part of it is square.
Q: What is square?
A: Lee Oswald coming in the office.
Q: But other than that, the rest is a lie?
A: No. I was the first critic of the Warren Report in writing, I didn't wait for five years, I hopped right on the gravy train.
Q: What do you mean by that?
A: In 1964 I told Liebeler I didn't believe Oswald did it, that he was incapable and so was his instrument.