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Perry Russo L-I-E-S Under Oath
Subject: Perry Russo L-I-E-S Under Oath
Date: 19 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT
From Russo's Shaw trial testimony, courtesy of Dave Reitzes:
RUSSO: Ferrie talked at great length about
Che Guevara of Cuba and Raoul Castro.
Raoul he wasn't too hot about and this is
what I told Sciambra and I said that
Che Guevara though he was extremely
powerful and he figured, and which is not
included on here, but we went into a lot
of detail of why and he figured that
Guevara would probably by the next replace-
ment for Castro since Castro had served
some purpose and that Guevara would take
his place and I don't see Che Guevara's
name here at all.
[Irvin Dymond reads into testimony an interview of Perry R. Russo by Jim Kemp, taken in Station WAFB, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, February 24, 1967 . . .]
Q: Did Ferrie ever mention that he was
involved in any way with any Cuban exile
group or with any other Cuban group or
RUSSO: Well, now, he never did mention he was
in cahoots with any Cuban exile group.
He talked in the vein that Castro was
getting a bum deal from the papers and
the press and the United States and from
the United States Government itself by
the economic sanctions or what have you,
but primarily what he was doing here, and
I had reference to the three Spanish-
speaking guys that I would say possibly
could have been from Cuba, but I am not
sure of that, but what he primarily was
saying was that -- or what he was doing,
in fact, was he had a group of Civil Air
Patrol boys and they were eighteen,
nineteen, twenty, somewhere around
there, and they were practicing jungle
warfare. Now, to me, that was, you know
-- anybody -- everybody is entitled to
their own kick, but he said that they
were practicing so later on in their
life the individual boys could help
complete the liberation of the South
American countries and make them freedom
loving and democracies and the rest of
the terms he used.
Q: Was he the leader of this training group
of jungle warfare?
A: He was, right.
Q: Did he ever mention Castro specifically?
Did he ever say that he had ever met him?
RUSSO: No, he -- the only thing -- reference he
had to Castro was the fact that he said
that Castro was not as bad as what we
pictured him here in the United States
and he was a good thing in Cuba, and he
had changed the Cuban economy, and al-
though they were in bad years now, that
someday they would be in good years be-
cause he was a good leader, more or less.
[End quote from Kemp interview.]
Q: I want to ask you whether you made that state-
ment to Layton Martens on the same occasion
"I am not real sure if they were plotting
against Castro or Kennedy."
RUSSO: A qualified yes, very qualified.
Q: Did you, first of all, did you make that state-
ment, Mr. Russo, and then you may explain
RUSSO: Well, all right, yes, let me put it yes and I
am going to say no afterwards, and I want
to say yes, but it depends, in other words,
Ferrie talked about Castro too, you see,
and he thought Castro was a good thing in
Cuba, but he wanted to replace him, he
thought Che Guevera was better and actually
what he wanted, he had a long philosophy
about that too, and I told Layton Martens,
I said they were plotting both to get
Castro and Kennedy, and I said of course
with these broad generalizations they were
talking about, no specifics at all as to
when and where, and they were plotting to
get Castro too as well as Kennedy.
Q: So actually you told him, you were referring to
the night in question on Louisiana Avenue
Parkway, weren't you?
RUSSO: No, referring to the whole year.
Q: The whole year?
RUSSO: The time I knew -- that year intensively during
Q: Referring to the summer of 1963?
RUSSO: '63, right, I mean, Castro was mentioned proba-
bly up there at the meeting where the
Defendant was, but not a great -- I don't
remember anything specifically being said
about Castro, but I know days before Ferrie
talked about Castro, sometimes he talked
about the Gueverian Reform was a good
thing, sometimes he talked about the
economics of Cuba and sometimes he talked
about Castro had to go.
According to Perry Russo, David Ferrie liked Fidel but loved Che,
and this was specifically during the Summer of 1963. Ferrie, per Russo,
expressed approval for Castro's economic program, not merely some
admiration for a valiant foe. Ferrie also expressed dismay at the
treatment Castro's Cuba got from the U. S. government and press.
I see several alternatives here.
1. Russo is truthful and accurate.
A. Ferrie was a Communist.
B. Ferrie was attempting to deceive Russo.
2. Russo is truthful but misunderstood Ferrie.
3. Russo is lying.
Personally, I dismiss 1-A as unsupported by any other witness who knew Ferrie well. If 1-B is true, it throws an entirely different light on Russo's assassination-planning party testimony, suggesting that it too was a deception. I consider option 2 unlikely as Russo was intelligent and had a specific interest in politics. Option 3 is the one I consider most likely to be true.
Frankly, I don't understand how Garrison's office could have put someone with these views about Ferrie on the stand. Didn't they listen to what he was saying?
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